Lisa: Lazy Safety Alignment for Large Language Models against Harmful Fine-tuning Attack

We thank the reviewer for the informative and helpful review comments. Below we try to address your concern.

W1: Safety alignment data are unavailable to users

It is true that safety alignment data are not available to users. However, the proposed Lisa method is used by the service provider but not the users, and the alignment dataset should be available to the LLM service provider. To be specific, in the considered finetuing-as-a-service scenario, the service provider is responsible for fine-tuning the model for the users, and they will use the alignment dataset they have to run Lisa algorithm. In this paper, Lisa is primarily focusing on finetuing-as-a-service scenario, but we will be interested to extend Lisa to potentially other scenarios in future work. We will make this clear in the revision.

W2: Insufficient explanation for excess drift in the paper

The excess drift phenomenon is observed from the proposed Bi-State optimization (BSO) method. Specifically, in BSO, we alternatively optimize the loss over alignment/fine-tuning dataset in two states. We define the drift as the final iterate of the current state and the previous state, and we show that when the drift is too large, the iterate will go too biased in one loss, and affect the convergence of the global function (i.e., the sum of the two losses). This is what we mean by excess drift, and we will make this clear in the next revision.

Q1: In Table 1, 34.6 should be 34.60.

Thanks for pointing out this issue, we will fix it accordingly.

Q2: the authors mentioned w_t and w_t(tilde) while w_t(tilde) did not appear formula 2

We apologize for the confusion. $\tilde{w}_t$ is the optimal solution for solving the frist state problem $argmin_w f(w)+ \frac{\rho}{2}|| w- w_t||^2$ while $w_t$ is the optimal solution for solving the second state problem $argmin_w f(w)+ \frac{\rho}{2}|| w- \tilde{w}_t||^2$. The two sub-problems are alternatively optimized. In other words, when solving one problem, we need to make sure that the iterate is closed to the previous found iterate for another sub-problem. We will make this explicit in the revision.

Q3: What is the KL assumption?

In KL assumption, we assume that the potential function $\mathcal{D}(\tilde{ w}_t, w_t)$ satisfies the KL property with function $\varphi(v)=c v^{1-\theta}$ given $\theta \in [0,1)$. The KL property is used to ensure that the loss landscape of the potential function contains a nice property around the critical points, and without this assumption, we can't deduce the convergence rate of the designed algorithm. This assumption is also used by existing work,e.g.,[1][2] in deducing convergence rate. We will add more discussion on KL assumption in the revision.

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Q4: Lisa (only with proximal) means no alignment dataset? If so, why is the harmful score the lowest?

You are right in that Lisa (only with proximal) has no alignment dataset. The reason its harmful score is the lowest is that the proximal term enforces the model iterates to be in proximity to the initial point. The initial point is the model produced by the alignment stage, which has a low harmful score. However, Lisa (only with proximal) falls short because while enforcing the model close to the initial aligned point, its finetune accuracy will also suffer because of the constraint. Please check out the following results, and we will have more discussion on this point in the revision.

L1: KL divergence is commonly used to constraint the drift between base LLM and fine-tuned LLM

We agree that replacing the proximal term with KL divergence may also work in addressing the excess drift issue. The common use of KL divergence is to control the distance of the hidden representations of the base LLM and finetuned LLM such that the drift is control. However, we note that proximal term has seveal advantages over KL divergence:

System advantage. Using KL divergence to constraint the drfit between base LLM and fine-tuned LLM is computational expensive. If KL diverence is used, for each optimization step, we need to 1) first forward the data into base LLM ii) then forward the same data into the fine-tuned LLM, iii) calculate the KL divergence over hidden representation, and iv) backward the gradient. Compared to using proximal term, the overhead of KL divergence in step i) is unacceptably large. Moreover, the KL divergence has poor scalability because the size of representation grows with batch size. It cost sigifcantly larger amount of GPU memory when large batch size is used.

Theoretical advantage. The proximal term being used is more desirable because we have theoretical proof of its convergence rate. Replacing the proximal term with KL divergence may lose the desired convergence guarantee.

We will add a discusion in the revision to justify our use of proximal term instead of KL divergence.

We thank the reviewer for the follow-up! However, all the experiments are done with the general safety dataset BeaverTails, and all the results are obtained by experimenting on this safety dataset. We also provide the source code https://anonymous.4open.science/r/Lisa-3540, using which we are pretty sure that the results are replicable.

Hope this erase your main concern! Many thanks!

In terms of safety alignment dataset, there are open-source datasets available on the internet, which the developers can use to finetune their LLMs. For example, BeaverTail \cite{ji2023beavertails} contains 330k alignment samples (https://huggingface.co/datasets/PKU-Alignment/BeaverTails).

As a general safety dataset is already avaialble, we hope the reviewer's concern can be at least be somehow addressed.

Hi reviewer 1udp,

We would like to double-check with you whether our rebuttal addresses your concern. From your initial comments, we think that your main concern lies in the excess drift phenomenon. We want to tell below the whole story of how we discovered the excess drift phenomenon and how we developed a proximal solution for the issue.

First, let's talk about the BSO solution. The idea of BSO is to include the alignment data in the user-finetuning stage to guide the model such that it can preserve the alignment knowledge while learning the new knowledge of the fine-tuning task.

One question you may want to ask is "why we don't directly enforce the iterate to be closed to the initial aligned point in the user fine-tuning stage but need to include the alignment data in optimization?

The reason is reflected by one of the questions you ask about Lisa (only with proximal). Lisa (only with proximal) does not include an alignment dataset but uses a proximal term to enforce the iterate close to the initial aligned point. This method has poor finetune accuracy because unlike Lisa, it does not use alignment data to find a new iterate that adapts well to both the fine-tuning task and the alignment task.

Second, we observe that with BSO when the steps spent in optimizing the alignment data are limited, the model will be biased, i.e., it tends to overly optimize over the fine-tuning data, and thereby degrading the defense performance, which we call excess drift phenomenon. This inspired to use the proximal term to enforce the fine-tuning iterates to be closed to the alignment iterate we found in the previous state to mitigate the excess drift.

Third, in terms of KL divergence, it is indeed possible to replace the proximal term with KL divergence to mitigate excess drift, despite the loss of system efficiency and theoretical advantage. However, we think that our main contribution is proposing the BSO solution, observing the excess drift phenomenon, and introducing a loss term to control that drift (it could be a proximal term or a KL divergence).

We hope this can somehow at least erase part of your concern. As now the rating of the paper is mixed, we really need your support (if you find our explanation justified, of course).

Hi Reviewer 1udp,

We are able to clarify the concern of Reviewer hVc3 by effective communication. As this is the last 8 hours before the ending of the author-reviewer phase and you are the only one who keeps the rejection score, we really want to figure out a way to address your concern.

We understand the main concern is that Lisa needs a safety alignment dataset, which may hinder the method's extension in some use cases. For example, the use case where users want to finetune the model themselves but do not maintain a safety dataset themselves. However, we want to clarify the following points to justify the usefulness of our method:

1. There are open-source safety alignment datasets available on the Internet (e.g., BeaverTails https://huggingface.co/datasets/PKU-Alignment/BeaverTails) and they are licensed to be free to use for non-commercial purposes. Users can download the dataset and use this as their alignment dataset.

2. We think you also agree that with the open-source safety alignment dataset, your concern can at least be partially solved, because you state in your comments:

Reviewer 1udp: If the study is based on a general safety alignment dataset that the authors mentioned (BeaverTail), then the generalization of the proposed would be better. However, this research is not based on the general safety dataset.

Our research is totally based on the BeaverTail dataset. All the experiments, including the one we just finished for Reviewer hVc3, are based on this dataset. We are confused by this comment, and we are still waiting for feedback from you.

3. There are published (or concurrent) works using the safety alignment dataset in their defense method. For example, (Zong et al, ICML2024) also utilize a safety alignment dataset to mix with the fine-tuning data, which shares the same assumption with us. (Wang et al, 2024) also assume a service provider-integrated dataset filled with safety examples (See their Section 3.3). (Rosati et al, 2024) utilize both the safety alignment dataset (harmful question-safe answer data pair) and harmful dataset (harmful question-harmful answer data pair) in their assumption, which is apparently stronger than ours. As we are not the first study to assume the availability of a safety alignment dataset, we feel that the assumption itself should not lead to rejection.

We hope that this comment can erase your concern.

Zong Y, Bohdal O, Yu T, et al. Safety Fine-Tuning at (Almost) No Cost: A Baseline for Vision Large Language Models[C]//Forty-first International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML2024)

Wang J, Li J, Li Y, et al. Mitigating fine-tuning jailbreak attack with backdoor enhanced alignment[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2402.14968, 2024.

Rosati D, Wehner J, Williams K, et al. Representation noising effectively prevents harmful fine-tuning on LLMs[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2405.14577, 2024.

Hi Reviewer 1udp,

We are aware that you are still not satisfied with our response. We now have 2 negative scores, and another reviewer who voted "strong rejection" gave us another chance for clarification and indicated that he/she would consider improving the score based on our answer. Could you please also give us a chance to clarify?

We understand that you still have concerns about the availability of alignment dataset. We insist that this assumption is proper in the fine-tuning-as-a-service scenario. In the scenario that you mention, i.e., users finetune the model themselves, the method is still usable if the users use the public alignment dataset (e.g., BeaverTails).

Moreover, the assumption of the availability of a safety alignment dataset is also used by a concurrent submission to NeurIPS 2024 [1]. Their assumption is stronger than ours, as they require the availability of a safety dataset(harmful question- safe answer pair) as well as a harmful dataset (harmful question-harmful answer pair), while we only require safety dataset. It is not fair to us to be rejected solely because of an assumption that they also make.

[1] Rosati D, Wehner J, Williams K, et al. Representation noising effectively prevents harmful fine-tuning on LLMs[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2405.14577, 2024.

This is a very long and informative review (more than one page). We are more than grateful for all the good suggestions and efforts being made to improve our paper.

W1+Q3: several issues with lack of details. For example, the initial Jail-broken effect by harmful fine-tuning experiment is unclear: Which model is being used, what data is being used (is it the same as 497-508 or is it different?), what is the fine-tuning task?

We apologize for the confusion. The model used in Figure 2 is Llama2-7B, the data being used is an SST2 dataset mixed with different ratios of harmful data. We follow line 497-508 to construct the dataset. We will give all these details in the revision.

W2: I am worried about the notion of alignment used in this paper - it isn’t clear if its operationalized as SFT on alignment data or some other thing. If its some other thing like an RL algorithmn like DPO then it makes sense to frame this as alignment but otherwise I think its a bit misleading to use that term, at least without significant clarity.

Thanks for the suggestion. The alignment stage is indeed operationalized as SFT on alignment data. It is also possible that we can use the RL algorithm, e.g., DPO to replace SFT on alignment data. For the sake of clearness, we should indeed find another term to describe this stage. We plan to rename this stage to the "safety training" stage.

W3-A: w, x, y are not specified nor what their indexes mean in Section 4 We apologize for the confusion. Indeed, we miss some important definitions of these notations in the paper. Here $w_{t,k}$, $x_{t,k}$, $y_{t,k}$ are respectively the model weights, the input of the sampled data and the label of the sampled data on iteration $t$ and local step $k$. We will make this clear in the revision.

W3-B: Optimizer_step isn’t specified what it means (is it SGD?) the functions f and h are not specified. Are they both causal language modeling loss with negative log likelihood or something else?which method is used in alignment?

The optimizer_step function is SGD. Here we use the derived gradient for the optimizer step, which can be formally expressed as $w_{t,k+1}= w_{t,k} - \eta g_{t,k}$. The functions f(w) and h(w) are the causal language modeling loss over the two datasets, which basically are the loss used for next-word prediction. In alignment, we consider to use SFT over the alignment dataset instead of RL method. If RL method is used, the loss should be different than the normal causal language modeling loss. However, our method should also applicable to RL loss. In the revision, we will make all these points clear.

W3-C+Q2: Even though the authors provide missing information in the appendicies, they are often not linked to the corresponding place

We thank the reviewer for this suggestion! We will refer to appendix 5.1 in the needed place in our revision according to the reviewer's advice.

W4-A: Proximal, Convergence, Consensus, Dirft. Despite being used heavily none of them are defined.

We thank the reviewer for pointing out the unclearness of the terms being used. Here is a more detailed definition.

• Proximal means the proximal term formalize as $||w-w_t||$, where $w$ is the current iterate and $w_t$ is the the last iterate of the previous state. By this loss term, we want to minimize the distance between the current iterate and the last iterate of the previous state.

• Convergence refers to the iterates converging to a stationary point, i.e., the final iterate has zero gradient norm.

• Consensus refers to the final iterate for both states (which should be the same iterate after convergence).

• Dirft refers to the Euclidean distance between the current iterate and the last iterate of the previous state.

In the revision, we will make all of these notions clear when they first appear.

W4-B: Confusion caused by proximal.

Indeed, we did not define the proximal term when it first appears, which causes a lot of confusion. In the revision, we will fix this issue accordingly by formally defining it when it first appears.

Q1: Authors should fix citation styles.

Indeed, in our initial submission, there are some lapses in terms of citation format. We will fix them.

Q4 +L1: Need experiments with higher harmful data mixtures.

We would like to show this experiment. However, our computing cluster is under maintenance until August 9. We will get the result back to you once the computing cluster is recovered.

Notes:

(Part A: Writing) 2: For the first time in the literature 37: the filter → to filter ... (Skip due to text length limitation)

There are too many good suggestions here. We will fix them accordingly and also request all the co-authors to proofread them in the next revision.

(Part B: Need charification)

87: Zong mixes in harmlessness data to achieve alignment and they need to add some helpfulness data so the model doesn’t over refuse.

You are right. Here our original statement is not accurate. We will fix it in revision.

94: Proximal algorithms and proximal terms.

Proximal term is usually used in alternatively optimizing two loss objectives (e.g., f(w) and h(w) in our context). With proximal term involved in the loss function, the algorithm could have a better convergence property.

125: Can you say why SFT gets better on the alignment loss?

SFT has lower alignment loss in the initial point compared to NA-SFT because the alignment loss is trained to almost 0 in the alignment stage, but NA-SFT does not go through that alignment.

147: what does so forth and so on mean

Several cycles are performed. For each cycle, K1 steps in alignment and K2 steps in fine-tuning.

277: you mean local right? Since we can’t assume 0 gradient maigntude means we are in a global minima.

We refer to local minima here. Without a strong assumption (e.g., convexity), normal SGD indeed cannot reach global minima.

Hi Reviewer ytGJ,

Our computing cluster has recovered, and we are now able to produce more experimental results to erase your concern, as we promised before.

Experiment results for higher harmful data mixtures up to 1. Particularly, you mention that it is interesting to see the performance when the harmful ratio is large. We show this result in the following table.

As shown, Lisa is able to provide consistent defense even when the harmful ratio $p$ is high.

We are using Llama2-7B instead of Llama2-7B (chat) as the base model (we use the same way to produce all the experimental results). We want to align the pre-trained model by SFT ourselves instead of relying on an already aligned model (e.g., Llama2-chat). In this way, we can be more confident that the evaluation is correct.

Please don't hesitate to leave us a comment if you feel that something still needs to be clarified.

Dear Reviewer ytGJ,

We sincerely thank you for the very informative review. It is also a great pleasure for us to know that your group has also replicated Lisa in PPO and DPO settings and verified its effectiveness.

It is very likely that this paper cannot get through the review process due to the mixed review (Initially, we are thinking of withdrawing the paper without rebuttal). However, we now think that all the efforts in rebuttal are definitely worth it due to your feedback. Thanks again for the encouragement!

We thank the reviewer for raising all these constructive review comments. Below we try to address them.

W1: It is unclear how to find the best mixture parameter $\rho$ for different datasets/ models

The proximity penalty needs to be carefully tuned to find the best value. Here are the results for tuning $\rho$.

In practice, one may tune $\rho$ on a validation dataset before really deploying the algorithm. Here we also want to highlight that we only have one hyper-parameter to tune. In comparison, a recent method RepNoise [1] needs two hyper-parameters and requires an additional harmful dataset in their assumption. The simplicity of Lisa should be merited.

[1] Rosati D, Wehner J, Williams K, et al. Representation noising effectively prevents harmful fine-tuning on LLMs[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2405.14577, 2024.

W2: it is unclear how further RLHF would influence model behavior and how robust the method is once combined with more RLHF process.

As pointed out in our limitation section, we agree that RLHF is the most successful technique for safety alignment or fine-tuning. It is unfortunate that we cannot evaluate the combination of Lisa with RLHF due to resource constraints, but in principle, Lisa has the potential to be combined with RLHF. The reason is that we are solving the problem in an optimization view by regarding the exact loss as a function $f(w)$. In an optimization view, the only difference between RLHF and SFT is the formulations of $f(w)$ are different.

W3: harmful data may not be easily identifiable and could appear benign on the surface. The effectiveness of Lisa in handling such subtle harmful data is not covered.

We thank the reviewer for providing two very relevant papers [1][2] for us to reference. Indeed, it is interesting to see how lisa defend against harder identify data, e.g., those produced by [2]. However, we note that the NeurIPS 2024 full paper's deadline is May 22,2024 and [1] is first available on Jun 28, 2024. [2] is first available on 1 Apr, 2024. Per the NeurIPS 2024 guideline, it is written that "For the purpose of the reviewing process, papers that appeared online within two months of a submission will generally be considered "contemporaneous" in the sense that the submission will not be rejected on the basis of the comparison to contemporaneous work." That said, we will try to see how Lisa perform aginst bi-directional anchoring proposed in [2]. We will do this experiment after August 9, because our computation cluster is under maintainence during the rebuttal period.

W4: The algorithm does not seem very compute-efficient

Extra overhead is typically needed to guarantee safety. We claim that our solution is compute-efficient because compared to another fine-tuning stage solution Vlguard[3], our solution is more efficient. The idea of Vlguard is to directly mix safety alignment data with the user fine-tuning dataset. With more data in the user-finetuning dataset, the alignment dataset of Vlguard should also be accordingly scaled up in order to maintain defense performance. This means that more computation is needed to be invested into the alignment dataset. In sharp contrast, the overhead of our method does not need to scale with the fine-tuning samples.

W5: The point on excess drift towards consensus leading to performance degradation of bi-state optimization should be better elaborated.

Thank you for the suggestion. In BSO, we alternatively optimize the loss over alignment/fine-tuning dataset in two states. We define the drift as the final iterate of the current state and the previous state, and we show that when the drift is too large, the iterate will go too biased in one loss, and affect the convergence of the global function (i.e., the sum of the two losses). This is what we mean by excess drift, and we will make this clear in the next revision.

Q2-A: Can you clarify the batch size and steps in the BSO algorithm?

The batch size of BSO is fixed to 5 and the total steps 20000. In BSO, we are allocating different steps to the alignment and finetuning dataset (indicated by hyper-parameter K1/K2). Let say K1=100 and K2=900. The total steps invested in alignment should be 100/1000*20000=2000.

Q2-B: Does equal step mean the smaller dataset (alignment dataset?) will experience multiple full runs?

Yes, if we take equal steps for fine-tuning and alignment. The smaller dataset (alignment dataset) will experience more full runs than the fine-tuning dataset. For example, if the number of samples in the alignment dataset is 100, and the number of samples in fine-tuning dataset is 1000, both of the datasets get equal step size allocation and we run 20000 steps in total with each step's batch size being 5, then the alignment dataset will get 2000050.5/100=500 full passes, and the finetuning dataset get 2000050.5/1000=50 full passes.

[1] Halawi D, Wei A, Wallace E, et al. Covert Malicious Finetuning: Challenges in Safeguarding LLM Adaptation[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2406.20053, 2024.

[2] He L, Xia M, Henderson P. What's in Your" Safe" Data?: Identifying Benign Data that Breaks Safety[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2404.01099, 2024.

[3] Zong Y, Bohdal O, Yu T, et al. Safety fine-tuning at (almost) no cost: A baseline for vision large language models[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2402.02207, 2024.

Hi Reviewer MRGF,

Our computing cluster has recovered, and we are now able to produce more experimental results to erase your concern, as we promised before.

Comparison to benign data attack. Recently, [2] proposed a bi-directional anchoring method to filter out the benign data that can most successfully trigger harmful fine-tuning. The authors identify a small subset of data in Alpaca that are easier to break safely when fine-tuning them. To simulate this more advanced attack, we use the data from ( https://github.com/princeton-nlp/benign-data-breaks-safety/blob/main/ft_datasets/alpaca_dataset/gradient-illegal-activities-anchor/alpaca_top100.json ) to perform harmful finetuning. Our results are as follows:

As shown, Lisa can reduce harmful score using the provided subset of data.

Please let us know if this result can erase your concern on the effectiveness of Lisa in handling some subtle harmful data. We are more than happy to discuss for your other concerns as well. Thank you!

[2] He L, Xia M, Henderson P. What's in Your" Safe" Data?: Identifying Benign Data that Breaks Safety[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2404.01099, 2024.

Hi reviewer MRGF,

We sincerely thank the reviewer for the constructive review comments. Particularly, we want to thank the reviewer for giving the two related papers on more advanced attacks of harmful fine-tuning, which we are not aware of until now.

Despite that they seem to be concurrent studies with ours, we implement the bi-directional anchoring method in [2] and compare Lisa against it. We notice that those "harmful" benign data identified by [2], though can still slightly break the enforced alignment, their attack performance is not as effective with those real harmful data. However, regardless of which harmful data we are using, Lisa can perform well in both attack settings.

Again, we thank the reviewer for the review comments. From your review, we learn that there are new fine-tuning attacks arising in the field. We will keep an eye on the development of the field, and we will continue to develop our work regardless of the final results.

Thank you for your recognition of our efforts, and also for increasing the score!

Indeed, we do observe that there are a few rising defense on harmful fine-tuning. Some of them are concurrent submission to NeurIPS, e.g., [4][5]. We will try to compare with them in the camera ready version.

Adaptive attack is also interesting to consider, because like you said, defense are hardly perfect, considering adaptive attack could further improve the defense design.

[4] Rosati D, Wehner J, Williams K, et al. Representation noising effectively prevents harmful fine-tuning on LLMs[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2405.14577, 2024.

[5] Hsu C Y, Tsai Y L, Lin C H, et al. Safe LoRA: the Silver Lining of Reducing Safety Risks when Fine-tuning Large Language Models[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2405.16833, 2024.]

W1: Choice of fine-tuning dataset.

In the paper we use general task like SST2, AGNEWS, GSM8K, and AlpacaEval because they are all well-established dataset and are commonly used for benchmark. We generally believe the method can be generalized to more complicated scenario, e.g., such as social chat or counseling. However, there is not an established dataset for those task, and therefore deviating our purpose of proposing a general solution that is able to generalize to different tasks.

W2: A simpler baseline will be to detect and remove harmful content. It is possible that an LLM can be used to identify training data and filter out. However, there are two fatal drawbacks of this solution. i) There is false positive and false negative for the classification. Some harmful data can still leak through. ii) User may do adaptive attack by uploading specific harmful data that can leak through the detection.

Q1: Is it possible to perform the LLM baseline of filtering harmful training data? Yes, it is possible, but this solution has false positive/nagative and can easily be circumvented.

Q2: Why are the synthetic datasets created by mixing two different datasets representative for the task? I am asking about mixing diverse domains in the synthetic data.

For fine-tuning dataset, we mix harmful data with benign fine-tuning data to simulate the harmful fine-tuning. For alignment dataset, it only contains alignment data. We are not sure what you mean by mixing diverse domains in the synthetic data.

Q3: What is the onus on LLM providers to prevent fine-tuning on harmful content as the user is responsible for the model? Is this for policing?

LLM service provider should be responsible for the model. The model is deployed in the providers' server, and the harmful answer is delivered to the users through service provider's API. Imagine that the user ask political question like "How do you comment the war between Isreal and Hamas in 2023?" The service provider is responsible to the answer.

We disagree with the two weakness mentioned by this reviewer. The harmful fine-tuning issue has raised great interest among the community, and there are too many good papers arising in this field [1-12]. However, all of these papers exhibit the two weakness that mentioned by this reviewer. Particularly,

• All of them are using standard datasets e.g., GSM8K for evaluation (but not social chat or counseling), which share the same weakness with us.

• If a simple baseline like data filteration mentioned by the reviewer can solve this problem, all of those paper [1-12] should be rated "strong reject" and never should be considered publication (Of Note, [1] is an accpeted ICLR oral paper).

We hope the reviewer can give a fair evaluation and we are always open to discussion.

[1]Fine-tuning aligned language models compromises safety, even when users do not intend to! https://arxiv.org/abs/2310.03693

[2] Fine-tuning can cripple your foundation model; preserving features may be the solution https://openreview.net/forum?id=VQ7Q6qdp0P

[3] Vaccine: Perturbation-aware Alignment for Large Language Model https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.01109

[4] Safety Fine-Tuning at (Almost) No Cost: A Baseline for Vision Large Language Models https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.02207

[5] Mitigating Fine-tuning Jailbreak Attack with Backdoor Enhanced Alignment https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.14968

[6] Keeping LLMs Aligned After Fine-tuning: The Crucial Role of Prompt Templates https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.18540

[7] Immunization against harmful fine-tuning attacks https://arxiv.org/pdf/2402.16382

[8] Representation noising effectively prevents harmful fine-tuning on LLMs https://arxiv.org/pdf/2405.14577

[9] No Two Devils Alike: Unveiling Distinct Mechanisms of Fine-tuning Attacks https://arxiv.org/pdf/2405.16229

[10] Safe LoRA: the Silver Lining of Reducing Safety Risks when Fine-tuning Large Language Models https://arxiv.org/pdf/2405.16833v1

[11] A safety realignment framework via subspace-oriented model fusion for large language models https://arxiv.org/pdf/2405.09055

[12] Navigating the Safety Landscape: Measuring Risks in Finetuning Large Language Models https://arxiv.org/abs/2405.17374

Hi Reviewer hVc3,

First, we want to thank the reviewer for the effort taken in reviewing this paper. While we have no exact clue why you rate our paper as "strong reject" (which is a score that is typically used to reject a paper that is not seriously written or with no scientific contribution), we conjecture that the main issue is that you disagree that the harmful fine-tuning issue is a serious research problem that worth study.

We insist that the problem is meaningful because it cannot be sufficiently solved by a simple baseline to detect and remove harmful content from the fine-tuning data. To justify this, we show how the moderation model from BeaverTails (which we use for evaluation) performs in terms of the classification of harmful content.

As shown, the moderation model has respectively 7.71% and 3.64% of false negative and false positive ratios. This means that 7.71% of harmful data are classified as harmless and can leak through the moderation model, and 3.64% of harmless user data are mistakenly classified as harmful and are removed from the finetuning data. This somehow show that the simple detection method is not sufficient to solve the problem.

We admit that the tone of our initial rebuttal is kind of improper. We apologize for that, but we still would like to request a fair evaluation of our paper.

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**Real label**: violence,aiding_and_abetting,incitement

**Classification of moderation model**: safe

Thank you for updating the score, and also for teaching us the new knowledge of harmonic mean!

From the wiki page, it seems that harmonic mean is more superior than arithemetic mean when particularly small values are important (for (100-harmful score) in our case). This is particularly useful and will be easier to display. We will include this result in the revision. Many thanks!

Dear AC and reviewers,

Big thanks to you for your efforts in reviewing our Lisa paper! From the authors' perspective, it has been a wonderful rebuttal experience, thanks to the hard work from AC and all the reviewers.

Our initial rating is (2,6,4,7), which honestly is not a decent rating. After the author-reviewer rebuttal, we are able to increase the rating to (7,7,4,8) by addressing the reviewer's concerns. We would like to summarize the main concerns that we are able to address.

• A simpler baseline will be to detect and remove harmful content, and there is no discussion on this (Reviewer hVc3). We are able to solve this concern by showing that a moderation model (an LLM) though can filter harmful data, exhibits non-negligible false negatives, i.e., harmful data can still leak through the moderation. We also do extra experiments to show that it is possible to combine a moderation model with the proposed Lisa method, such that Lisa can handle the remnant toxicity left by filtration.

• The method does not seem to be computation-efficient (Reviewer MRGF). We are able to solve this concern by comparing with Vanguard. Vlguard basically mixes safety data into the finetuning dataset. One shortcoming of Vlguard is that its extra computation is scaled with the fine-tuning dataset --With more fine-tuning data, the alignment data should also scale up thereby incurring more extra computation. In sharp contrast, our method does not have this shortcoming.

• Some parts of the paper are hard to understand due to missing descriptions (Reviewer ytGJ). We are able to address this concern through a more formal definition. We are particularly thankful to Reviewer ytGJ, as the provided suggestions are all useful tips that we as authors may not think of. Reviewer ytGJ also mentions that their group has replicated LISAs effectiveness with PPO and DPO (i.e., RLHF-based technique). This is useful information, as we did not do experiments on PPO and DPO due to resource constraints.

While we are able to solve most of the concerns from the reviewers, there is still one particular concern that seems to be unsolved.

• The safety alignment data of many LLMs are unavailable to users, (therefore Lisa cannot apply) (Reviewer 1udp). Our solution requires the existence of such a safety alignment dataset, but in our considered fine-tuning-as-a-service scenario, it is the service provider, who has the safety alignment data, (instead of users) being responsible for running our Lisa algorithm.

It is true that in other scenarios mentioned by reviewer 1udp, the algorithm would be harder to execute. For example, when users want to finetune the model themselves and they do not host an alignment dataset. However, we want to clarify the following points to justify the usefulness of our method even in this setting:

1. There are open safety alignment datasets available on the Internet (e.g., BeaverTails https://huggingface.co/datasets/PKU-Alignment/BeaverTails) and they are licensed to be free to use for non-commercial purposes. Users can download the dataset and use this as their alignment dataset.

2. We think reviewer 1udp also agrees that with the open-source safety alignment dataset, his/her concern can at least be partially solved, because he/she stated in the comments:

Reviewer 1udp: If the study is based on a general safety alignment dataset that the authors mentioned (BeaverTail), then the generalization of the proposed would be better. However, this research is not based on the general safety dataset.

However, our research heavily relies on the BeaverTail dataset. All the experiments are based on this dataset. We are indeed a little bit confused by this comment, but could not get more information from the reviewer.

There are also published (or concurrent) works using the safety dataset in their defense against harmful fine-tuning. For example, [1] utilizes a safety dataset to mix with the fine-tuning data, which shares the same assumption with us. [2] also assume a dataset filled with safety examples (See their Section 3.3). [3] utilize both the safety dataset (harmful question-safe answer pair) and harmful dataset (harmful question-harmful answer pair) in their assumption, which is apparently stronger than ours. As we are not the first study to assume the availability of a safety dataset, we feel that this should not be the reason leading to rejection.

[1] Zong Y, Bohdal O, Yu T, et al. Safety Fine-Tuning at (Almost) No Cost: A Baseline for Vision Large Language Models[C]//Forty-first International Conference on Machine Learning (ICML2024)

[2] Wang J, Li J, Li Y, et al. Mitigating fine-tuning jailbreak attack with backdoor enhanced alignment[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2402.14968, 2024.

[3] Rosati D, Wehner J, Williams K, et al. Representation noising effectively prevents harmful fine-tuning on LLMs[J]. arXiv preprint arXiv:2405.14577, 2024.