Stability and Sharper Risk Bounds with Convergence Rate $O(1/n^2)$

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Question 1: Issue in Weaknesses ``The high-probability analysis based on uniform stability ...''

Answer: Thank you for your valuable feedback and insights. We appreciate the opportunity to address the points raised and provide further clarification. Due to the constraints on word count, we have detailed our response regarding the main challenges and innovations of our work in Public Response. We believe this additional explanation clarifies the significance and impact of our work.

Question 2: Issue in Weaknesses ``As stated in the paper, Theorem 1 and Theorem 2 ...''

Answer: In the course of our writing, we discovered that the constant in Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund's inequality for random variables taking values in a Hilbert space could be further improved. Consequently, we included this part in the paper. This was done by referencing the proof of Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund's inequality for random variables with the best constant. Considering that Theorem 1 has other broad applications, we report this result as well.

Question 3: Issue in Weaknesses ``As stated in the paper, the generalization by gradients ...''

Answer: While Theorem 3 indeed highlights sharper generalization bounds in gradients specifically for nonconvex problems. This theorem operates under the assumption of Lipschitz continuity and shows that the coefficient of the $1/\sqrt{n}$ term is related to the variance of the algorithm's optimized gradient over the entire population $\mathbb{E}_{Z} || \nabla f(A(S);Z) ||_2^2$, as opposed to being related to the maximum gradient value $M$ as in prior works. This provides a tighter bound and is a notable contribution to the understanding of non-convex problems.

We chose to demonstrate our results in Section 4 using strongly-convex problems to provide clear, illustrative examples where our theoretical contributions can be easily observed and compared with existing literature. The generalization bounds for nonconvex problems remain a significant contribution and are expected to be beneficial for many practical applications where nonconvexity is prevalent.

The assumptions of smoothness and Lipschitz continuity are indeed standard and necessary for deriving our results. High-probability results are more challenging than expectation results. While expectation results need on-average type stability (eg: $\mathbb{E} \left\|\nabla f(A(S);z)-\nabla f(A(S^{(i)});z) \right\|_2 \leq \beta.$), high-probability results require uniform type stability (eg: $\sup_z \left\|\nabla f(A(S);z)-\nabla f(A(S^{(i)});z) \right\|_2 \leq \beta.$). Achieving uniform stability necessitates stronger assumptions to ensure the same optimization outcomes. Achieving $O(1/n^2)$ rate necessitated the trade off between optimization and generalization errors, which required assuming strongly-convexity. This assumption was crucial to ensure a good convergence rate for the algorithm's optimization error.

Question 4: Issue in Weaknesses ``The paper gives fast rates under the case ...''

Answer: Our stability bound is indeed influenced by $\frac{\gamma}{n \mu}$, not $n \mu$. To further analyze this, let's consider a specific example where $G$ represents the squared loss function.

Assume the function $F(w)$ satisfies the inequalities $\mu |w|^2 \leq F(w) \leq \gamma |w|^2$. For the sake of this analysis, we assume $F(w^*) = \Theta(1/n)$. Consequently, we have $\mu |w|^2 = \Theta(1/n)$ and $\gamma |w|^2 = \Theta(1/n)$. Assuming $|w|^2 = \Theta(1)$, this leads us to $\mu = \Theta(1/n)$ and $\gamma = \Theta(1/n)$. Under these conditions, our final stability bound becomes $\frac{\gamma}{n \mu} = \Theta(1/n)$, which is meaningful and consistent with our analysis.

We acknowledge that the assumption $F(w^*) = O(1/n)$ is quite strong. However, we use this assumption to demonstrate that under low-noise conditions, our bounds can achieve the tightest possible rate of $O(1/n^2)$.

Question 5: Issue in Weaknesses ``For SGD, the computation cost seems ...''

Answer: We acknowledge that the current method to analyze SGD indeed requires a large number of iterations to achieve high-probability results, which is a consequence of the inherent randomness in SGD. Considering that the uniform convergence method has already obtained results on the order of $1/n^2$, we aim to achieve similar results using stability analysis under comparable assumptions. Additionally, we hope to leverage the characteristics of stability analysis to eliminate dependency on the dimension $d$.

We also recognize that examining the expected results may potentially reduce the number of iterations required. We believe this is a promising direction for future research.

Question 6: Issue in Weaknesses ``In the proof of Lemma 1, ...''

Answer: Thank you for your correction. Due to the strong convexity assumption we made when applying this lemma, $w^*$ is unique. Our statement here is not rigorous enough, but it does not affect the final conclusion. We will correct this error in the final version.

Question 7: Issue in Questions ``The paper contains various typos ...''

Answer: Thank you for your correction. We will try our best to fix these minor errors in the final version.

If you have any questions or need further clarifications, please do not hesitate to contact us. We look forward to discussing this with you and appreciate your valuable feedback.

Reference

Yegor Klochkov, and Nikita Zhivotovskiy. Stability and Deviation Optimal Risk Bounds with Convergence Rate $O(1/n)$. NeurIPS 2021.

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Question 1: Issue in Strengths ``The problem setup of the paper is not clearly ...''

Answer: Thank you for your valuable feedback. We appreciate your suggestion to collect and detail the assumptions used in our manuscript. We will ensure that in the final version, all assumptions are gathered together and each one is thoroughly explained, including their significance.

Question 2: Issue in Weaknesses ``The presentation of results and related works is somewhat lacking ...''

Answer: Thank you for your valuable feedback. We have made sure to clearly state the necessary assumptions in each theorem or lemma, as you suggested. Additionally, we discuss the comparison with existing work in the remark sections following the relevant theorems.

To further enhance clarity and facilitate easier comparison for readers, we will summarize these comparisons in a table in the final version of the manuscript.

Thank you again for your helpful suggestions.

Question 3: Issue in Weaknesses ``In the proof of the risk bound for ERM (line 664) ...''

Answer: Thank you for your feedback. You are correct that our expression was not precise and lacked a necessary condition. Assuming $w^*(S) \in \mathcal{W}$, we will make this correction in the final version of our paper.

Question 4: Issue in Weaknesses ``The paper contains several typos in both the analysis ...''

Answer: Thank you for your correction. We will try our best to fix these minor errors in the final version.

If you have any questions or need further clarifications, please do not hesitate to contact us. We look forward to discussing this with you and appreciate your valuable feedback.

PART III

Q15: Issue in Questions ``Why do authors give Lemma 2 ...''

A: The logical focus of this paper is indeed to derive an excess risk bound of $1/n^2$. However, some results obtained during the proof process, such as Theorem 3, are novel and represent the best results even in the non-convex setting. Lemma 2 is presented as a minor result, as discussed in Remark 2, there is considerable interest in the population risk of gradients, $||\nabla F_S(A(S))||_2$, in the non-convex setting.

Lemma 2 only assumes bounded variance and SGC (Strong Growth Condition). When the algorithm performs well, the empirical risk of the gradient $||\nabla F_S(A(S))||_2$ can be zero, which implies that the population risk of gradients $||\nabla F_S(A(S))||_2$ can achieve $O(1/n)$. This result from Lemma 2 also helps to understand why Theorem 3 provides a better bound compared to Theorem 2. Specifically, using the inequality $\sqrt{ab} \leq \eta a + \frac{1}{\eta}b$ in the context of Theorem 3 allows us to derive Lemma 2. On the other hand, Theorem 2, combined with SGC and the assumption $||\nabla F_S(A(S))||_2 = 0$, can only achieve a bound of $O(1/\sqrt{n})$ at best.

Q16: Issue in Weaknesses ``In line 635, why is ...''

A: To facilitate the calculations, we simplified the constant terms that are independent of $n$ into a single large constant $C$ in line 635 when applying Lemma 1. This is a standard approach to streamline the notation, and the resulting expressions are equivalent.

Q17: Issue in Weaknesses ``Why is Theorem 3 better than Theorem 2 ...''

A: As highlighted in Remark 4, Theorem 3 operates under the assumption of Lipschitz continuity and demonstrates that the coefficient of the $1/\sqrt{n}$ term is related to the variance of the algorithm's optimized gradient over the entire population, denoted by $\mathbb{E}_{Z} \|\nabla f(A(S); Z)\|_2^2$. This contrasts with Theorem 2, where the coefficient is associated with the maximum gradient value $M$.

By introducing smoothness conditions in subsequent results, we refine the analysis from focusing on the maximum gradient $M$ to considering the variance of the algorithm's optimized gradient over the entire population. This refinement is crucial for obtaining more accurate and generalizable results. Besides, as discussed in our response to Q15, Lemma 2 also explains why Theorem 3 offers a more comprehensive and favorable result compared to Theorem 2.

If you have any questions or need further clarifications, please do not hesitate to contact us. We look forward to discussing this with you and appreciate your valuable feedback.

Reference

J. Fan and Y. Lei. High-probability generalization bounds for pointwise uniformly stable algorithms. Applied and Computational Harmonic Analysis, 2024.

X. Yuan, P. Li. Exponential generalization bounds with near-optimal rates for -stable algorithms. ICLR, 2023.

Y. Klochkov, and N. Zhivotovskiy. Stability and Deviation Optimal Risk Bounds with Convergence Rate $O(1/n)$. NeurIPS 2021.

O. Bousquet, Y. Klochkov, and N. Zhivotovskiy. Sharper bounds for uniformly stable algorithms. COLT 2020.

Y. Xu and A. Zeevi. Towards optimal problem dependent generalization error bounds in statistical learning theory. Mathematics of Operations Research, 2024.

R. Bassily, V. Feldman, C. Guzmán, and K. Talwar. Stability of stochastic gradient descent on nonsmooth convex losses. NeurIPS 2020.

PART II

Q8: Issue in Weaknesses ``In line 633 $F(A(S)) - F(A(S))$ ...''

A: We will fix this typo.

Q9: Issue in Weaknesses ``In line 633, Equation (31) ...''

A: We will fix the typo.

Q10: Issue in Weaknesses ``In line 152, authors state ...''

A: We introduced the setup for non-convex problems because Theorem 3 has potential applications in non-convex scenarios as well. The stability analysis for generalization includes two parts: on one hand, the relationship between algorithm stability and generalization performance; on the other hand, proving the stability of a particular algorithm. Our Theorem 3 addresses the first aspect by providing a bound that depends on the variance of the population risk of the gradient, rather than the maximum gradient $M$. Although the latter is not the focus of our paper, it represents a potential direction for future research.

The refined analysis in Theorem 3 also demonstrates improved performance under stronger assumptions, leading to the best $1/n^2$ bound. We believe that both the study of non-convex problems and the research into tighter bounds under stronger assumptions are equally important.

Q11: Issue in Weaknesses ``The form of the relationship ...''

A: Regarding your point about the generalization results of existing gradient-based methods, including Theorem 2, we emphisize that these results can not yield a bound on the excess risk of the order $1/n^2$. The reason for this is that the coefficients in front of the $\frac{1}{\sqrt{n}}$ term in these results are generally bounded by the maximum value $M$ of the gradients.

In contrast, Theorem 3 introduces a different perspective by focusing on the variance of the algorithm's optimized population risks of gradients $\mathbb{E}_{Z} \| \nabla f(A(S); Z) \|_2^2$. This approach allows us to derive a more refined bound on the excess risk. By incorporating additional assumptions to bound this variance, we are able to achieve improved results. Theorem 3 is indeed a core contribution of our paper, as it addresses a key limitation in the existing results.

Moreover, we recognize that some may view the improvement of constants in Theorem 1 as having limited impact. However, achieving such improvements is also a technical challenge and constitutes another contribution of our work.

Q12: Issue in Questions ``In line 23, $f$ denotes a loss function ...''

A: We understand your concern regarding the notation used in Line 29 and Definition 1 Definition 4, where the function $g$ are employed. Given that these definitions are meant to be general and not restricted to loss functions, this notation is indeed applicable beyond just loss functions.

Lemma 1, for instance, assumes that the population loss function $F$, rather than the loss function $f$, satisfies the PL condition. We recognize that this might cause some confusion due to the overlapping notation.

To address this issue and enhance clarity, we can revise the notation in the final version of the manuscript to avoid any potential misunderstandings.

Q13: Issue in Questions ``In line 54, authors state ...''

A: As you correctly pointed out, we transform the excess risk bound into an upper bound on the population risk of gradients through the use of PL conditions. To achieve the desired $\frac{1}{n^2}$ result, it is indeed crucial to conduct a detailed analysis of the generalization error of the gradients.

Our approach highlights that the coefficient in front of the$\frac{1}{\sqrt{n}}$ term cannot simply be bounded by the maximum value $M$ of the gradients (eg: previous work and Theorem 2) . Instead, we need to ensure that the generalization error of the gradients achieves $\frac{1}{n}$ under specific assumptions. This nuanced analysis is precisely what Theorem 3 addresses, providing a more refined and accurate characterization of the gradient's generalization error.

Q14: Issue in Questions ``The paragraph from line 66 to line 69 ...''

A: Theorem 1 provides our tighter $p$-moment bound, and it is indeed central to the results presented throughout the paper. As discussed following Theorem 1, we have improved the constants in Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund's inequality for random variables taking values in a Hilbert space. Given the potential broad applications of Theorem 1, we believe it is important to report these enhanced results.

However, to maintain the readability of the paper and due to the fact that many might perceive the improvement in constants as having limited impact—especially concerning the $1/n^2$ term of interest—we chose not to emphasize this detail in the abstract or in the introduction. Our aim was to keep the focus on the main results and their implications.

PART I

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Q1: Issue in Weaknesses ``The paragraph from line 52 to line 65 ...''

A: As Reviewer Xifq pointed out in Strengths, our roadmap in this paper is to provide a finer-grained analysis of the generalization error of gradients, leading to a dimension-independent bound of $1/n^2$.

In the course of our proof, we discovered that our main theorem (Theorem 3) does not require strong convexity and smoothness assumptions. Furthermore, it surpasses the best existing results by relating the coefficient of the $1/\sqrt{n}$ term to the variance of the algorithm's optimized gradient across the entire population, $\mathbb{E}_{Z} || \nabla f(A(S);Z) ||_2^2$, rather than to the maximum gradient value $M$ as in previous works. We believe this theorem could provide valuable insights for non-convex settings as well.

We will make sure to articulate this more clearly in the final version of the paper to enhance its readability.

Q2: Issue in Weaknesses ``The paragraph from line 70 to line 73 ...''

A: Thank you for your suggestion. We will remove this paragraph in the final version

Q3: Issue in Weaknesses ``In Related Work, it is unnecessary ...''

A: Our motivation stems from the fact that the current tools for uniform convergence yield results that are better compared to those derived from stability methods. Given this, we aim to employ stability methods to achieve dimension-independent results under the same assumptions. Therefore, we believe it is necessary to include an appropriate introduction to the latest developments in uniform convergence. We will strive to minimize its length to ensure conciseness. In response to your request, we will provide a detailed list of literature related to high probability bounds in the final version.

Q4: Issue in Weaknesses ``Theorem 1 in this paper is not the sharpest ...''

A: Our work and [Fan and Lei, 2024] are concentrated on $p$-moment bound for sums of vector-valued functions. [Yuan and Li, 2023] reported sums of valued functions. We are different. Of course, all of us motivated by [Bousquet et al., 2020] but we face more difficult. On one hand, comparing with [Fan and Lei, 2024] for p-moment bound for sums of vector-valued functions, we need to prove the optimal constant in Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund's inequality for random variables taking values in a Hilbert space but they just use standard Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund's inequality. On the other hand, for constructing vector-valued functions, comparing with [Yuan and Li, 2023] the distinction between a vector’s $2$-norm being $0$ and the vector itself being $0$ added complexity to our proof. We apologize for the oversight in not citing [Yuan and Li, 2023]. We will make sure to include it in the related works to address this issue.

Q5: Issue in Weaknesses ``In Section 3.2, authors build ...''

A: The stability analysis for generalization includes two parts: firstly, build the relationship between algorithm stability and generalization bound, and secondly, prove the stability of certain algorithms. In this paper our goal is to derive an $1/n^2$ bound independent of dimensionality During our proof process, we found that Theorem 3 also addresses the first aspect in non-convex settings, providing a bound that depends on the variance of the population risk of gradients rather than the maximum gradient $M$. Our primary focus is not on the latter aspect of non-convex settings, which remains an area for future research.

Additionally, exploring high-probability stability for algorithms in non-convex setting is indeed challenging. Current methods, such as those based on [Bassily et al., 2020]'s work, show that random algorithms under non-convex smooth assumptions are $O(T/n)$-stable. However, this bound becomes less meaningful when the number of iterations exceeds $n$. We believe that further investigation into algorithm stability in non-convex scenarios is valuable and worthy of exploration.

Q6: Issue in Weaknesses ``The symbol $M$ is repeatedly ...''

A: We will fix this typo.

Q7: Issue in Weaknesses ``In Remark 4, authors compare ...''

A: Our intention in comparing our results with [Xu and Zeevi, 2024] is not to imply that our approach is universally superior. If the stability parameter $\beta$ in our algorithm is very large, our results may indeed be less favorable.

Specifically, we indicate that when the uniformly stable gradient parameter $\beta$ is smaller than $1/\sqrt{n}$, our bound is tighter compared to [Xu and Zeevi, 2024]’s result and is dimension-independent. However, it is crucial to note that even if $\beta$ is smaller than $1/\sqrt{n}$, the results from [Fan and Lei, 2024] and Theorem 2 do not surpass [Xu and Zeevi, 2024]'s result and are less favorable, especially considering the subsequent derivation of the $1/n^2$ result.

We will revise our manuscript to clarify these points and avoid any potential misunderstanding for the readers. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

Thanks for your time and thoughts. We will answer all your questions.

Question 1: Issue in Weaknesses ``I found several typos ...''

Answer: Thank you for your correction. Here are some comments.

(a) ``the stability equation in Lemma 4 should be written ...''.

Comment: Sorry, this is a typo, the right formula is

$

\forall z \in \mathcal{Z}, \quad \left| \nabla f(w_t;z) - \nabla f(w^i_t;z) \right|_2 \leq \frac{4M \gamma}{n\mu}.

$

(b) ``Also, why is the reference in Theorems in section 4 to Theorem 3, instead of Lemma 1''.

Comment: Whether citing Theorem 3 or Lemma 1, the assumptions are the same, because the assumptions we need when calculating the stability of the algorithm require strong-convexity condition, which are stronger than PL condition. However, your understanding is correct. Our citation may affect misunderstanding. We will accept your suggestion.

(c) ``What exactly is $w$ in the bound $F(w) - F(w^\star)$ in Theorem 5?''

Comment: $F(w_{T + 1}) - F(w^\star)$ is right. This is a typo, we will correct it.

Question 2: Issue in Weaknesses ``I don't see the point of Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund’s inequality ...''

Answer: In the course of our writing, we discovered that the constant in Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund's inequality for random variables taking values in a Hilbert space could be further improved. Consequently, we included this part in the paper. This was done by referencing the proof of Marcinkiewicz-Zygmund's inequality for random variables with the best constant. Considering that Theorem 1 has other broad applications, we report this result as well. Using this new inequality also yields tighter results in terms of constants in this paper. For Theorem 2, we use the same proof as existing work and obtain tighter results on constants. But regarding the primary focus of this paper, when referred to $n$, this improvement indeed makes no difference.

Question 3: Issue in Weaknesses ``I need some more clarification in lines 204--207 ...''

Answer: Here I will introduce the difference between our results and [Klochkov and Zhivotovskiy, 2021]. Stability generalization analysis consists of two parts (1) The relationship between algorithmic stability and generalization (2) A certain algorithm is stable. This application part also involves optimization analysis when considering excess risk. Let's start with (2) to demonstrate that we have obtained better results more intuitively.

For PGD, your interpretation is right. Assumptions in [Klochkov and Zhivotovskiy, 2021] are smooth, Lipschitz and strongly convex for function $f$, and they obtain $O(1/n)$ bound. But we reach $O(1/n^2)$ under the same assumptions. Notice that in [Klochkov and Zhivotovskiy, 2021], smoothness assumption is required to analyse optimization error. But we use smoothness assumption in both generalization and optimization analysis.

For ERM, their assumptions are Lipschitz and strongly convex for function $f$, and they obtain $O(1/n)$ bound. Our assumptions are smooth, Lipschitz and strongly convex for function $f$, and we obtain $O(1/n^2)$ bound.

At this point, you may be able to see where our improvements are mainly reflected. We used stronger assumptions when establishing the relationship between algorithmic stability and generalization. This is exactly what lines 204-2007 want to express.

[Klochkov and Zhivotovskiy, 2021] only needs the bounded assumption for function $f$ and $\gamma$-stable algorithm and their results are

$

 F(A(S)) -F(w^{\ast}) & \lesssim  (F_S(A(S)) - F_S(w^*(S))) + \mathbb{E}(F_S(A(S)) - F_S(w^*(S))) 
  \quad + (\gamma \log n + 1/n)\log{(1/\delta)}.

$

Our assumptions are smooth, Lipschitz for function $f$ and PL condition for the population risk $F$, and $\beta$-stable in gradient algorithm and our results are

$

 F(A(S)) -F(w^{\ast}) \lesssim \| \nabla F_S(A(S)) \|_2 + 
  \frac{F(w^*) \log{(1/\delta)}}{n} + \frac{ \log^2(1/\delta)}{n^2}
  + \beta^2 \log^2 n \log^2 (1/\delta).

$

Note that our method can reach to $O(1/n^2)$, but [Klochkov and Zhivotovskiy, 2021] can only reach to $O(1/n)$. In the application of optimization analysis, it is common to use smooth and PL condition assumptions. We believe that introducing these assumptions into the relationship between stability and generalization is meaningful. For ERM, our results do not show a significant advantage; although we obtain tighter bounds, we also introduce stronger smoothness assumption. This is because ERM does not involve complex optimization problems. In the case of PGD, since the optimization analysis involves an $O(\log n)$ convergence rate, the smoothness assumption needs to be introduced. Our method can yield better results under the same assumptions.

In fact, there are currently some studies based on [Klochkov and Zhivotovskiy, 2021] that address other problems, such as differentially private models [Kang et al., 2022, Theorem 1] and pairwise learning [Lei et al., 2021, Theorem 9]. They also need the smoothness assumption in their optimization analysis. However, since they still use the framework in [Klochkov and Zhivotovskiy, 2021] in the generalization part of their research, they can only obtain an $O(1/n)$ bound at most. Using our method, they can achieve $O(1/n^2)$ bounds without changing the assumptions.

If you have any questions or need further clarifications, please do not hesitate to contact us. We look forward to discussing this with you and appreciate your valuable feedback.

Reference

Yegor Klochkov, and Nikita Zhivotovskiy. Stability and Deviation Optimal Risk Bounds with Convergence Rate $O(1/n)$. NeurIPS 2021.

Yunwen Lei, Mingrui Liu, and Yiming Ying. Generalization guarantee of SGD for pairwise learning. NeurIPS 2021.

Yilin Kang, et al. Sharper Utility Bounds for Differentially Private Models: Smooth and Non-smooth. CIKM 2022.

Thank you for your constructive feedback and for raising the ratings.

Firstly, I would like to mention that this approach of bounding the excess risk ...

Answer: Thanks for your suggestion, we will incorporate a summary table in the final version, which will highlight the key results and relevant bounds in a clear and concise manner, making it easier for readers to grasp the main contributions and their implications.

I see. Is it possible to conclude whether or not the approach of K&Z'21 ...

Answer: Even with the introduction of an additional smoothness assumption, the Empirical Risk Minimization (ERM) algorithm does not achieve a rate of $\mathcal{O}(1/n^2)$. This limit stems from the framework they established, which in part (a) determined that the best attainable rate can only reach $\mathcal{O}(1/n)$.

We refer to their result:

$

F(A(S)) - F(w^{\ast}) \lesssim (F_S(A(S)) - F_S(w^(S))) + \mathbb{E}(F_S(A(S)) - F_S(w^(S))) + (\gamma \log n + 1/n)\log{(1/\delta)}.

$

Even when considering the terms $F_S(A(S)) - F_S(w^*(S))$ and the algorithm's stability parameter $\gamma$ both equating to zero, the derived upper bound remains at most $\mathcal{O}(1/n)$.

This clearly illustrates that achieving a faster convergence rate, such as $\mathcal{O}(1/n^2)$, is not feasible within their proposed framework.

Thank you again for your thoughtful feedback and for taking the time to review my work. I am glad to hear that you are satisfied with the responses provided and that you have revised your score. Your insights have been invaluable in improving the quality of my manuscript.

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